General Michael Hayden Discusses The Balance Between Stealing And Exposing Secrets

How can the journalism community expose the secrets that the intelligence community wants to keep secret? That's the theme of a special two-episode podcast in which NPC Board member Molly McCluskey interviews General Michael Hayden, former NSA and CIA director and author of Playing to the Edge: American Intelligence in the Age of Terror. In this podcast they discuss the constitutionally mandated conflict between journalists and spies.